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		<title>20&quot; Surly Big Dummy Frame and Fork looking for a good home</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Wetmore</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A little backstory. If you don&#8217;t care then skip to the end.
About 10 years ago I built this internal gear hubbed commuter bike with a chaincase and generator light (I know the generator light is missing from the photo, but trust me that the bike had one&#8230;this is my only photo of it):

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p mce_keep="true">A little backstory. If you don&#8217;t care then skip to the end.</p>
<p mce_keep="true">About 10 years ago I built this internal gear hubbed commuter bike with a chaincase and generator light (I know the generator light is missing from the photo, but trust me that the bike had one&#8230;this is my only photo of it):</p>
<p mce_keep="true"><img style="WIDTH: 384px; HEIGHT: 512px" src="http://www.phred.org/~alex/pictures/bikes/trek400.jpg" width=384 height=512 mce_src="http://www.phred.org/~alex/pictures/bikes/trek400.jpg"></p>
<p mce_keep="true">I got a lot of help on this project from Val Kleitz and the other people who worked at &#8220;The Bikesmith&#8221;, a fantastic shop that used to be in Wallingford. This was the first bike that I builtup with their help, but it wouldn&#8217;t be the last. During the 6 or 7 years that I shopped there Val spent countless hours chatting with me, letting me hang out and absorb shop talk, and helping me learn about bikes. I know that Val has touched a lot of the Seattle bicycle community in the same way. Hahn Rossman, who also worked at that shop, is the guy who told me about the <a href="http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-bob" mce_href="http://www.bikelist.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-bob">Internet-BOB mailing list</a>, which I now host. I kind of knew about it already and protested that I didn&#8217;t own a Bridgestone bicycle (after all the list is called the Bridgestone Owner&#8217;s Bunch). He said that didn&#8217;t matter and I should join anyway. He was right.</p>
<p mce_keep="true">A few weeks ago I learned that <a href="http://www.rideyourbike.com/savevalsassparty.htm" mce_href="http://www.rideyourbike.com/savevalsassparty.htm">Val has cancer</a>. Last Tuesday night there was a party and fundraising raffle to help Val with his cancer. I bought a lot of the tickets sold that night, but the amount that I spent was barely a drop compared to the flood of learning that I&#8217;ve had from Val. It is also probably a tiny drop of what Val needs to get past this illness, but I hope that it is a little bit of help.</p>
<p mce_keep="true">I think I bought less than half of the tickets, but <a href="http://327words.blogspot.com/2009/11/lottery-paradox.html" mce_href="http://327words.blogspot.com/2009/11/lottery-paradox.html">I won most of theitems</a>. I gave almost all of them back and asked for them to be reraffled. One item in particular (<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/huggerindustries/4115040555/" mce_href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/huggerindustries/4115040555/">a pink Brooks Swift saddle</a>) really wanted to go home with me and I won it twice in a row,but on the third time it figured out that it really should go live with someone else.</p>
<p mce_keep="true">I did win and keep the big prize of the evening,a <a href="http://surlybikes.com/frames/big_dummy_frame/" mce_href="http://surlybikes.com/frames/big_dummy_frame/">Surly Big Dummy frame and fork</a>. This is the backbone of a serious cargo hauler. I&#8217;d keep it, but I like building my own cargo haulers and don&#8217;t have the room for one this large (it is about the same size as my tandem&#8230;we use the tandem a lot, so the Surly won&#8217;t fit).</p>
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<h2><strong>The Details</strong></h2>
<p mce_keep="true">This is what you get, a 20&#8243; Surly Big Dummy Frame and Fork:</p>
<p mce_keep="true"><img src="http://surlybikes.com/uploads/frames/FM3166.jpg" mce_src="http://surlybikes.com/uploads/frames/FM3166.jpg"></p>
<p mce_keep="true">This is what it can turn into (photo linked from <a href="http://thebikelane.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/todds-big-dummy/">http://thebikelane.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/todds-big-dummy/</a>):</p>
<p mce_keep="true"><img style="WIDTH: 510px; HEIGHT: 382px" src="http://thebikelane.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/dscn3533.jpg?w=510" width=510 height=382 mce_src="http://thebikelane.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/dscn3533.jpg?w=510"></p>
<p mce_keep="true">I brew beer and those are homebrew kegs that he is carrying. 5 gallons each is 40lbs of beer, plus about 15lbs for the keg. That is a roughly 220lb load. My cargo haulers can&#8217;t do that.</p>
<p mce_keep="true">I&#8217;m selling the Big Dummy for $650. $600 of that is going to Val to help his fight with cancer. $50 of that is <a href="http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2009/11/help-from-my-friends.html" mce_href="http://kentsbike.blogspot.com/2009/11/help-from-my-friends.html">going to Kent Peterson</a> who keeps all of us amused (including Val) with great stories from the trail. The frame normally retails for $1050, but they are on sale right now and many places are selling them for $700. The cheapest price online that I can find is $609. I think my price is fair, and the money is going to a good cause. I promissed Val that I&#8217;d find a buyer who would use the Big Dummy and I hope to be able to live up to that promise.</p>
<p mce_keep="true">I&#8217;d strongly prefer to sell this to someone in Seattle. I&#8217;ll even deliver it to anyone within 50 miles of Seattle. I know it can be shipped, but it is expensive to do so (about $100-150) due to the size of the box.</p>
<p mce_keep="true">If you are interested please email me. alex at phred dot org.</p>
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