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		<title>By: Chris Cullum</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/942/comment-page-1#comment-22869</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Cullum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 20:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know you went with the new A23 rims. I am interested in your thoughts on them once you have a chance to get some miles. Did you use things like Al chainring bolts to save grams? I would think they would be adequately reliable (as long as they are greased as they can seize otherwise). I was reading an old Rivendell catalogue (of all things) and they suggested Ti crank bolts as an innocuous place to save weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you went with the new A23 rims. I am interested in your thoughts on them once you have a chance to get some miles. Did you use things like Al chainring bolts to save grams? I would think they would be adequately reliable (as long as they are greased as they can seize otherwise). I was reading an old Rivendell catalogue (of all things) and they suggested Ti crank bolts as an innocuous place to save weight.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Wetmore</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/942/comment-page-1#comment-17550</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Wetmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 23:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just did some quick math, and it looks like a front wheel with 28 1.8/1.6 spokes, sonDelux, and Velocity A23 rim would be the same weight as my current front wheel with 36 2.01.8 spokes, XT hub, CR18 rim.  My SON28/CR18/36 spoke wheel is a pound heavier.  That makes the SONdelux quite compelling.

Switching to the Campy carbon levers and Nitto Soba bar saves me 80 grams total, which gets me half of a front rack.  The new stem and cutting off the steerer should get me the other half.

Build a new rear wheel (figuring I can drop 100 grams on the rim, and 75 in spokes+hub) and I&#039;&#039;m probably still around 23lbs.  That is probably not worth it.

When I take the bike apart for painting I&#039;&#039;ll measure each component instead of going based on internet weights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just did some quick math, and it looks like a front wheel with 28 1.8/1.6 spokes, sonDelux, and Velocity A23 rim would be the same weight as my current front wheel with 36 2.01.8 spokes, XT hub, CR18 rim.  My SON28/CR18/36 spoke wheel is a pound heavier.  That makes the SONdelux quite compelling.</p>
<p>Switching to the Campy carbon levers and Nitto Soba bar saves me 80 grams total, which gets me half of a front rack.  The new stem and cutting off the steerer should get me the other half.</p>
<p>Build a new rear wheel (figuring I can drop 100 grams on the rim, and 75 in spokes+hub) and I&#8221;m probably still around 23lbs.  That is probably not worth it.</p>
<p>When I take the bike apart for painting I&#8221;ll measure each component instead of going based on internet weights.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Wetmore</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/942/comment-page-1#comment-17545</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Wetmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For rides up to 20 miles this saddle has been fine.  I haven&#039;&#039;t done a ride longer than that yet.  It will probably be a couple of months before I can take this bike on a 60-100 mile ride and really see how it does.

The vibration is the main win on the sonDelux for me, and the primary reason for me to upgrade.  The half-pound weight savings are a nice bonus though.  I have a perfectly fine SON28 in a 700C rim, so I just need to decide if it is worth buying a new hub and building up a wheel for.  If I do go down that route I&#039;&#039;ll probably use a lighter rim too (the CR18 is a great rim, but not light).

I&#039;&#039;m getting a pair of the Campy carbon brake levers from a friend for a good price.  That&#039;&#039;ll be the only carbon bike component that I own.  I do have a carbon fiber kayak paddle.

The front derailleur is going soon, I just haven&#039;&#039;t dug through my pile to find a replacement.  It doesn&#039;&#039;t do well at all on this bike.  It is my favorite triple front derailleur, but it doesn&#039;&#039;t do well with low Q doubles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For rides up to 20 miles this saddle has been fine.  I haven&#8221;t done a ride longer than that yet.  It will probably be a couple of months before I can take this bike on a 60-100 mile ride and really see how it does.</p>
<p>The vibration is the main win on the sonDelux for me, and the primary reason for me to upgrade.  The half-pound weight savings are a nice bonus though.  I have a perfectly fine SON28 in a 700C rim, so I just need to decide if it is worth buying a new hub and building up a wheel for.  If I do go down that route I&#8221;ll probably use a lighter rim too (the CR18 is a great rim, but not light).</p>
<p>I&#8221;m getting a pair of the Campy carbon brake levers from a friend for a good price.  That&#8221;ll be the only carbon bike component that I own.  I do have a carbon fiber kayak paddle.</p>
<p>The front derailleur is going soon, I just haven&#8221;t dug through my pile to find a replacement.  It doesn&#8221;t do well at all on this bike.  It is my favorite triple front derailleur, but it doesn&#8221;t do well with low Q doubles.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cullum</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/942/comment-page-1#comment-17534</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Cullum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, are you happy with that WTB saddle for long distance rides? I know you&#039;&#039;ve been a fan of the Brooks B17 for a long time (as have I). The Son20R or sonDelux is a pretty good weight savings over the son28. As a bonus it seems to transmit less vibration than the older, higher output dynohubs. Even 24lbs is great considering you haven&#039;&#039;t gone to any &quot;stupid light&quot; componentry. What brake levers are lighter than the Shimano aero levers? I know the Campy carbon ones are light (and crazy expensive) and also some older less ergonomic levers might save weight. Perhaps the SRAM levers? BTW I switched out the XTR triple front derailleur on my rando bike that is equipped with a compact double for an older Suntour Cyclone. It shifts a little better and the flat cage does not rub on the inside of the crank arm (a Ritchey 110bcd with a Q factor around 140mm).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, are you happy with that WTB saddle for long distance rides? I know you&#8221;ve been a fan of the Brooks B17 for a long time (as have I). The Son20R or sonDelux is a pretty good weight savings over the son28. As a bonus it seems to transmit less vibration than the older, higher output dynohubs. Even 24lbs is great considering you haven&#8221;t gone to any &#8220;stupid light&#8221; componentry. What brake levers are lighter than the Shimano aero levers? I know the Campy carbon ones are light (and crazy expensive) and also some older less ergonomic levers might save weight. Perhaps the SRAM levers? BTW I switched out the XTR triple front derailleur on my rando bike that is equipped with a compact double for an older Suntour Cyclone. It shifts a little better and the flat cage does not rub on the inside of the crank arm (a Ritchey 110bcd with a Q factor around 140mm).</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Wetmore</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/942/comment-page-1#comment-17508</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Wetmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 19:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BQ tests with a Brooks saddle though, I&#039;&#039;m running a plastic one that saves a bit of weight.

We&#039;&#039;ll see.  The rack and dynohub will add some weight, but some other changes that I&#039;&#039;m making (new stem, handlebars, brake levers) should lose some.  The wheels are the primary place where I could save real weight, but I&#039;&#039;m unlikely to build a new set.  Maybe a front one to run a sonDelux instead of my old SON27.

The frame tubing is 8/5/8 steel (Kaisei 019).  Fork blades are True Temper, with a special ultra-light Pacenti steerer.  The pump is an ultralight Zefal that Jan gave me.

23lbs will be great, 24lbs (including pump) is probably a realistic target.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BQ tests with a Brooks saddle though, I&#8221;m running a plastic one that saves a bit of weight.</p>
<p>We&#8221;ll see.  The rack and dynohub will add some weight, but some other changes that I&#8221;m making (new stem, handlebars, brake levers) should lose some.  The wheels are the primary place where I could save real weight, but I&#8221;m unlikely to build a new set.  Maybe a front one to run a sonDelux instead of my old SON27.</p>
<p>The frame tubing is 8/5/8 steel (Kaisei 019).  Fork blades are True Temper, with a special ultra-light Pacenti steerer.  The pump is an ultralight Zefal that Jan gave me.</p>
<p>23lbs will be great, 24lbs (including pump) is probably a realistic target.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cullum</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/942/comment-page-1#comment-17506</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Cullum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 19:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work, Alex. If you can keep the weight at around 23lbs fully equipped that would be among the lightest rando bikes BQ has tested. I think the full carbon Crumpton was around 22lbs. Very impressive. I think you mentioned 8/5 tubing at some point? The front fender attachment at the fork crown is smart. I always though an eyebolt hanging from a nutted bolt (for brakes that don&#039;&#039;t have a through bolt) seemed like cludge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work, Alex. If you can keep the weight at around 23lbs fully equipped that would be among the lightest rando bikes BQ has tested. I think the full carbon Crumpton was around 22lbs. Very impressive. I think you mentioned 8/5 tubing at some point? The front fender attachment at the fork crown is smart. I always though an eyebolt hanging from a nutted bolt (for brakes that don&#8221;t have a through bolt) seemed like cludge.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Wetmore</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/942/comment-page-1#comment-17014</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Wetmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 23:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good set of questions Jimmy.

The cassette will likely be replaced with an 11-28 or 11-30 or something smaller.  I used the 11-34 because I had it and wanted to get the bike on the road.  I have to admit that the 34 has come in helpful a few times when I&#039;&#039;ve been pulling my trailer up steep hills, and I kind of like riding around without dropping out of the 44 on normal hills.

The rack will be a smaller handlebar bag rack.  It will either mount to the brake studs and mid-fork locations, or to the fork crown and mid-fork locations.  I&#039;&#039;m still pondering many options with the rack.  The biggest one is internal light wiring and using 5/16&quot; x 0.028 tubing, or exposed wiring and 1/4&quot; x 0.028.  The 1/4&quot; tubing looks a bit nicer for a handlebar bag rack and also weighs about 50 grams less for a rack of this size.

My employer&#039;&#039;s bike shuttle uses the normal bus rack, but adds a second rear wheel hook that sits on the fender.  It hits normal fender stays, so the S-bend fender stays are designed to clear that hook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good set of questions Jimmy.</p>
<p>The cassette will likely be replaced with an 11-28 or 11-30 or something smaller.  I used the 11-34 because I had it and wanted to get the bike on the road.  I have to admit that the 34 has come in helpful a few times when I&#8221;ve been pulling my trailer up steep hills, and I kind of like riding around without dropping out of the 44 on normal hills.</p>
<p>The rack will be a smaller handlebar bag rack.  It will either mount to the brake studs and mid-fork locations, or to the fork crown and mid-fork locations.  I&#8221;m still pondering many options with the rack.  The biggest one is internal light wiring and using 5/16&#8243; x 0.028 tubing, or exposed wiring and 1/4&#8243; x 0.028.  The 1/4&#8243; tubing looks a bit nicer for a handlebar bag rack and also weighs about 50 grams less for a rack of this size.</p>
<p>My employer&#8217;&#8217;s bike shuttle uses the normal bus rack, but adds a second rear wheel hook that sits on the fender.  It hits normal fender stays, so the S-bend fender stays are designed to clear that hook.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Livengood</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/942/comment-page-1#comment-17011</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy Livengood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 23:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to see the progress on this. How does the gearing on the gifford compare to this, I admit that with a 44/30 double I expected to see more of a &quot;road&quot; range cassette?

What kind of rack will you be building for this -and where will it mount? Just curious as your front fender crown mount seems to take the location of a typical Wetmore front rack mount. Also, the rear fender stays have a nice symmetric dogleg to them. Aesthetic or is there some other purpose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to see the progress on this. How does the gearing on the gifford compare to this, I admit that with a 44/30 double I expected to see more of a &#8220;road&#8221; range cassette?</p>
<p>What kind of rack will you be building for this -and where will it mount? Just curious as your front fender crown mount seems to take the location of a typical Wetmore front rack mount. Also, the rear fender stays have a nice symmetric dogleg to them. Aesthetic or is there some other purpose?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Wetmore</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/942/comment-page-1#comment-16405</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Wetmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8mm at 73 degrees has a 7.65mm vertical component.  I&#039;&#039;m going to call that close enough, especially since my cut was probably not to within a half mm.

It&#039;&#039;s a lot better than assuming that the frame was built exactly to spec and just doing the fork based on the drawing as well.  The front end geometry is pretty important to me, so I like having this checkpoint along the way.

That fixture gets a lot of use in my shop, I also use it when building porteur racks to support the platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8mm at 73 degrees has a 7.65mm vertical component.  I&#8221;m going to call that close enough, especially since my cut was probably not to within a half mm.</p>
<p>It&#8217;&#8217;s a lot better than assuming that the frame was built exactly to spec and just doing the fork based on the drawing as well.  The front end geometry is pretty important to me, so I like having this checkpoint along the way.</p>
<p>That fixture gets a lot of use in my shop, I also use it when building porteur racks to support the platform.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 19:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, if you remove 8mm from the fork legs, won&#039;&#039;t that change the frame&#039;&#039;s angles slightly?  The front axle height adjustment on your jig isn&#039;&#039;t parallel to the head tube....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, if you remove 8mm from the fork legs, won&#8221;t that change the frame&#8217;&#8217;s angles slightly?  The front axle height adjustment on your jig isn&#8221;t parallel to the head tube&#8230;.</p>
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