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		<title>By: AlexWetmore</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/556/comment-page-1#comment-4328</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexWetmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good news.  The car has been totalled, and we are in the market for a new one.

alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good news.  The car has been totalled, and we are in the market for a new one.</p>
<p>alex</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/556/comment-page-1#comment-4327</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alex, I am a little late commenting here but I will give it a go. I work in the auto body field with the other German cars, sometimes VW stuff but we are a Benz, BMW shop. The car looks like a easy fix and not to terrible in the damage department if a good shop is fixing it. With that said I say go to a shop that works on German cars they are not the same as the others. A German car is built so much better and uses strange methods of assembly. Do not let the insurance company steer you to there shop. I am guessing you are working with Allstate of Progressive? Oh and insist they do not use any remanufactured or aftermarket parts on you car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alex, I am a little late commenting here but I will give it a go. I work in the auto body field with the other German cars, sometimes VW stuff but we are a Benz, BMW shop. The car looks like a easy fix and not to terrible in the damage department if a good shop is fixing it. With that said I say go to a shop that works on German cars they are not the same as the others. A German car is built so much better and uses strange methods of assembly. Do not let the insurance company steer you to there shop. I am guessing you are working with Allstate of Progressive? Oh and insist they do not use any remanufactured or aftermarket parts on you car.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/556/comment-page-1#comment-4326</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

I went through a similar thing about 2 years ago, but in Pittsburgh, not WA.  2003 Passat wagon, rear ended while stopped at a light, and the insurance company refused to total it, even though repairs plus rental car came close to 80% of book value, which appears to be about the same dollar amount as your repairs.

Take it to the shop of your choice, it&#039;&#039;s your car, not the insurance company&#039;&#039;s car.  All the shops say that the car will be just as safe as before, but my wife was never very comfortable afterwards.  It looked fine, after taking it back to the shop 3 times, and drove fine.  We ended up trading it in towards a minivan when the 3rd child was near, and we probably got about $2k less than the non-damaged value, but PA does not allow you to make a claim on diminished value.

If you keep it, here are a few things to watch out for from the shop:
Make sure they reassemble the lock mechanism properly, the VW ones are more finicky than most.
Same with the window raising mechanism.
Check the alignment of the rear seats, our&#039;&#039;s were bent apart and it took the shop awhile to get them aligned.
Check the seatbelts, the driver&#039;&#039;s belt malfunctioned afterwards and needed to be replaced.  I don&#039;&#039;t know if it was the pretensioner, but I convinced the shop to replace all the belts that had been in use at the time.

I hated the whole process and the fact that we took such a large financial hit.  Good luck in dealing with the shop and the insurance company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>I went through a similar thing about 2 years ago, but in Pittsburgh, not WA.  2003 Passat wagon, rear ended while stopped at a light, and the insurance company refused to total it, even though repairs plus rental car came close to 80% of book value, which appears to be about the same dollar amount as your repairs.</p>
<p>Take it to the shop of your choice, it&#8217;&#8217;s your car, not the insurance company&#8217;&#8217;s car.  All the shops say that the car will be just as safe as before, but my wife was never very comfortable afterwards.  It looked fine, after taking it back to the shop 3 times, and drove fine.  We ended up trading it in towards a minivan when the 3rd child was near, and we probably got about $2k less than the non-damaged value, but PA does not allow you to make a claim on diminished value.</p>
<p>If you keep it, here are a few things to watch out for from the shop:<br />
Make sure they reassemble the lock mechanism properly, the VW ones are more finicky than most.<br />
Same with the window raising mechanism.<br />
Check the alignment of the rear seats, our&#8217;&#8217;s were bent apart and it took the shop awhile to get them aligned.<br />
Check the seatbelts, the driver&#8217;&#8217;s belt malfunctioned afterwards and needed to be replaced.  I don&#8221;t know if it was the pretensioner, but I convinced the shop to replace all the belts that had been in use at the time.</p>
<p>I hated the whole process and the fact that we took such a large financial hit.  Good luck in dealing with the shop and the insurance company.</p>
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		<title>By: christian</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/556/comment-page-1#comment-4325</link>
		<dc:creator>christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: #1  -- check Washington state law about the body shop choice. You may have the legal right to choose the shop.  In California (where we live)  that&#039;&#039;s the case.  Your own insurance company will probably know whether this is true  in WA (and they&#039;&#039;ll be straight with you since they&#039;&#039;re not paying here).  You could also try here:  http://search.leg.wa.gov/pub/textsearch/default.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #1  &#8212; check Washington state law about the body shop choice. You may have the legal right to choose the shop.  In California (where we live)  that&#8217;&#8217;s the case.  Your own insurance company will probably know whether this is true  in WA (and they&#8221;ll be straight with you since they&#8221;re not paying here).  You could also try here:  <a href="http://search.leg.wa.gov/pub/textsearch/default.asp" rel="nofollow">http://search.leg.wa.gov/pub/textsearch/default.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Craig Ryan</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/556/comment-page-1#comment-4324</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 23:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, your should be able to shop for the bodyshop you&#039;&#039;d like. If it&#039;&#039;s still drivable, take it around. Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, your should be able to shop for the bodyshop you&#8221;d like. If it&#8217;&#8217;s still drivable, take it around. Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: AlexWetmore</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/556/comment-page-1#comment-4323</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexWetmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine said the SUV looked fine, but we haven&#039;&#039;t done any followup investigation.  I don&#039;&#039;t think a 3000lb Jetta Wagon is going to fare well against a 5500lb SUV with a high bumper, sadly.

alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine said the SUV looked fine, but we haven&#8221;t done any followup investigation.  I don&#8221;t think a 3000lb Jetta Wagon is going to fare well against a 5500lb SUV with a high bumper, sadly.</p>
<p>alex</p>
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		<title>By: Jim G</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/556/comment-page-1#comment-4322</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

I agree w/Doug that you should be given the opportunity to take your car to your shop of choice, and/or to get multiple estimates on the repair cost!

What really sucks here is that, from the photo, it just looks like the rear bumper and hatch need to be replaced -- when in fact the damage is much more invasive!

Just curious -- what happened to the SUV?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>I agree w/Doug that you should be given the opportunity to take your car to your shop of choice, and/or to get multiple estimates on the repair cost!</p>
<p>What really sucks here is that, from the photo, it just looks like the rear bumper and hatch need to be replaced &#8212; when in fact the damage is much more invasive!</p>
<p>Just curious &#8212; what happened to the SUV?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/556/comment-page-1#comment-4321</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tell the insurance company to stick it. new car, or the money. then buy a bike w/ trailer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tell the insurance company to stick it. new car, or the money. then buy a bike w/ trailer.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Van Cleve</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/556/comment-page-1#comment-4320</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Van Cleve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 15:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

A good body shop really can make it almost as good as new and not visible unless you are really looking inside the car.  If it hasn&#039;&#039;t already been seen by more than one shop (including some of your choosing), I would insist on that.  I would also try to get the candidate shops to list out line by line what repairs and parts they will use.  If you can, go with a shop that works on Mercedes/BMW/Porsche.  They will know all the tricks for getting a German car back as close to new as possible.  If you have the work done by such a shop, I don&#039;&#039;t think there will be any cause for concern safety-wise.

Best wishes, Doug</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>A good body shop really can make it almost as good as new and not visible unless you are really looking inside the car.  If it hasn&#8221;t already been seen by more than one shop (including some of your choosing), I would insist on that.  I would also try to get the candidate shops to list out line by line what repairs and parts they will use.  If you can, go with a shop that works on Mercedes/BMW/Porsche.  They will know all the tricks for getting a German car back as close to new as possible.  If you have the work done by such a shop, I don&#8221;t think there will be any cause for concern safety-wise.</p>
<p>Best wishes, Doug</p>
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		<title>By: AlexWetmore</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/556/comment-page-1#comment-4319</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexWetmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 07:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, we haven&#039;&#039;t been debating with them about the value of the car.  The insurance company seems to be using the normal blue book value of the car and has valued it pretty close to the normal street value.  They told us that the car normally would have been considered totalled, but since the car&#039;&#039;s value is still high they would rather repair it.

At the same time I wouldn&#039;&#039;t want to accept less than the book value of the car because that wouldn&#039;&#039;t allow us to buy a comparable car.  We also like having a diesel wagon, it fits our needs and gets great fuel economy.  It&#039;&#039;s a fact that used ones go for close to $20k and new ones are usually selling for above MSRP right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, we haven&#8221;t been debating with them about the value of the car.  The insurance company seems to be using the normal blue book value of the car and has valued it pretty close to the normal street value.  They told us that the car normally would have been considered totalled, but since the car&#8217;&#8217;s value is still high they would rather repair it.</p>
<p>At the same time I wouldn&#8221;t want to accept less than the book value of the car because that wouldn&#8221;t allow us to buy a comparable car.  We also like having a diesel wagon, it fits our needs and gets great fuel economy.  It&#8217;&#8217;s a fact that used ones go for close to $20k and new ones are usually selling for above MSRP right now.</p>
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