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		<title>By: Tom L</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/551/comment-page-1#comment-4301</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;&#039;t mean to use Alex&#039;&#039;s blog to make conversation, but to N Roberts:  My brother lived in Petersfield and I visited him about 11 years ago.  It was a nice little town and he was very happy with everything about it, like access to the train, knowing his neighbors, the long history, and close rural bits.  He took me out to a few country-side pubs so I may have actually visited the ones you mention.  I was there for a New Year&#039;&#039;s, so experienced the huge party in the town square with young couples kissing in/under/on the horse statue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8221;t mean to use Alex&#8217;&#8217;s blog to make conversation, but to N Roberts:  My brother lived in Petersfield and I visited him about 11 years ago.  It was a nice little town and he was very happy with everything about it, like access to the train, knowing his neighbors, the long history, and close rural bits.  He took me out to a few country-side pubs so I may have actually visited the ones you mention.  I was there for a New Year&#8217;&#8217;s, so experienced the huge party in the town square with young couples kissing in/under/on the horse statue.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lowe</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/551/comment-page-1#comment-4300</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to live a few blocks from Alex in Ravenna. It is a great &#039;&#039;hood and my wife and I wish we could have afforded to buy a house there.

We wound up buying a fixer upper in Maple Leaf, a bit northwest of Ravenna. We were still close to Whole Paycheck but also gained the best coffee shop (Cloud City), hardware store (Maple Leaf Ace) and a great video store (Reckless). Downside to that house was that it was right on 80th which is pretty busy.

A few months ago we moved (again!!) to Crown Hill. At first it seemed like we were moving to the suburbs but we found a spacious house on a very quiet street where everyone seems to know each other. Bonus for us is having plenty of neighbors with small children. Since being here we&#039;&#039;ve really come to love our new &#039;&#039;hood even more than Ravenna or Maple Leaf. We have the locally owned Ballard Market which is 20 blocks away in addition to a Safeway and QFC that are within 3 minutes walking distance. Also a great bakery (Larsen&#039;&#039;s). The local hardware store (Crown Hill Hardware) blows big time so I still have to schlep to Stone Way. Also miss have a great coffee shop and video store within close walking distance. Rain City video is great but not within walking distance. Cafe Fiore is a great coffee shop but at 15 blocks away it&#039;&#039;s a bit of a walk. We do gain from having so many fantastic parks nearby. Bicycling to work downtown is a snap since it&#039;&#039;s largely a downhill. Of course coming back is almost all uphill and with headwinds. Fortunately I can also take the 15 or 18 bus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to live a few blocks from Alex in Ravenna. It is a great &#8221;hood and my wife and I wish we could have afforded to buy a house there.</p>
<p>We wound up buying a fixer upper in Maple Leaf, a bit northwest of Ravenna. We were still close to Whole Paycheck but also gained the best coffee shop (Cloud City), hardware store (Maple Leaf Ace) and a great video store (Reckless). Downside to that house was that it was right on 80th which is pretty busy.</p>
<p>A few months ago we moved (again!!) to Crown Hill. At first it seemed like we were moving to the suburbs but we found a spacious house on a very quiet street where everyone seems to know each other. Bonus for us is having plenty of neighbors with small children. Since being here we&#8221;ve really come to love our new &#8221;hood even more than Ravenna or Maple Leaf. We have the locally owned Ballard Market which is 20 blocks away in addition to a Safeway and QFC that are within 3 minutes walking distance. Also a great bakery (Larsen&#8217;&#8217;s). The local hardware store (Crown Hill Hardware) blows big time so I still have to schlep to Stone Way. Also miss have a great coffee shop and video store within close walking distance. Rain City video is great but not within walking distance. Cafe Fiore is a great coffee shop but at 15 blocks away it&#8217;&#8217;s a bit of a walk. We do gain from having so many fantastic parks nearby. Bicycling to work downtown is a snap since it&#8217;&#8217;s largely a downhill. Of course coming back is almost all uphill and with headwinds. Fortunately I can also take the 15 or 18 bus.</p>
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		<title>By: n roberts</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/551/comment-page-1#comment-4299</link>
		<dc:creator>n roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i live in south harting, uk.  i&#039;&#039;d say i have a pretty lovely walk score that suits me and my missus.  we are right in the middle of the south downs national park (very rural), and the 110 mile offroad bridalway from winchester to brighton is visible from our front door and is a source of endless biking fun.  We have a local shop in our village that sells organic vegetables supplied by the villagers and farms nearby. It also sells amazing ballards beer, brewed 2 miles away in nyewood. We have 3 pubs within 2 miles of our house, all proper pubs, with local real ale and pork scratchings and muddy floors.  Our neighbours are fantastic, and we swap eggs from our 5 chickens for vegetables from peoples gardens. petersfield is a pleasant 5 mile cycle, for all the supermarkets (if you like supermarkets), and libraries, and coffee shops. Because it&#039;&#039;s rural, people always ask us if we get bored, but in the countryside, villagers actually talk to each other, and go round to each others houses for tea, and are genuine friends. it&#039;&#039;s nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i live in south harting, uk.  i&#8221;d say i have a pretty lovely walk score that suits me and my missus.  we are right in the middle of the south downs national park (very rural), and the 110 mile offroad bridalway from winchester to brighton is visible from our front door and is a source of endless biking fun.  We have a local shop in our village that sells organic vegetables supplied by the villagers and farms nearby. It also sells amazing ballards beer, brewed 2 miles away in nyewood. We have 3 pubs within 2 miles of our house, all proper pubs, with local real ale and pork scratchings and muddy floors.  Our neighbours are fantastic, and we swap eggs from our 5 chickens for vegetables from peoples gardens. petersfield is a pleasant 5 mile cycle, for all the supermarkets (if you like supermarkets), and libraries, and coffee shops. Because it&#8217;&#8217;s rural, people always ask us if we get bored, but in the countryside, villagers actually talk to each other, and go round to each others houses for tea, and are genuine friends. it&#8217;&#8217;s nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Boxer</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/551/comment-page-1#comment-4298</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Boxer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;&#039;ll second the props for the South End (Seattle). My girlfriend and have lived in the Seward Park neighborhood for three years this October. Katie grew up just a few blocks north of where we live.

Walkability is so-so. Grocery options are not the best, though the PCC is a short bike ride away. It&#039;&#039;s got just about everything we need, but it&#039;&#039;s pretty expensive. Columbia City also has an excellent Farmer&#039;&#039;s Market May - October, as well as a _real_ butcher shop and a very yummy bakery. There are some nice restaurants in CC as well as a movie theater. My commute to work, Bike Works, is under two miles, depending on how I go - which I like, options for bike commute route, especially since it&#039;&#039;s so short. Katie takes the bus/bikes a few times a week to Wallingford, but also has to drives sometimes, since her works takes her to multiple locations hauling gardening tools and paraphernalia.

I like the diversity of our neighborhood (ethnic, religious, economic, etc.). Our neighbors are friendly, helpful, not nosey. We were able to buy a large lot with a smallish house for a very reasonable amount. Prices have risen in the last few years, but with the current real estate market, there are still some pretty nice places. We&#039;&#039;ve been able to do so much with our yard and spend a lot of time out there during the warm weather months. We recently built a fire pit - if you have space and enough distance from your neighbors, I highly recommend it! I also like that my cat has a healthy stomping grounds.

We are walking distance to Lake Washington, two beaches and short biking distance to Seward Park, with it&#039;&#039;s beautiful hiking trails and beaches and vistas. It&#039;&#039;s easy to ride to the east side and all the beautiful roads. West Seattle is very accessible - I can get to the Fauntleroy ferry in about 45 minutes by bike.

Our neighborhood often gets a bad rap re: crime. I don&#039;&#039;t really find it to be any worse than any other part of town. Maybe I&#039;&#039;m unaware, but I prefer the quietude available to us down here over the busy ness of Captiol Hill/Belltown/University District/etc... I must admit, I don&#039;&#039;t leave the south end all that much with work so close. But that just makes it more of an adventure to see the rest of the city and realize how rapidly things are developing and changing (for better and worse).

Public libraries are nearby. The Chief Sealth trail is nearby. I-90 trail access is also very close.

Sometimes, I wish we were closer to Ballard for the nightlife (one of my favorite venues is the Tractor) and Second Ascent and the used record store, as well as Golden Gardens. Again, this makes it more of an event to get out there, by bike or car.

I also wish we had a quality hardware store nearby. My first choice would be a place like Hardwick&#039;&#039;s, mentioned in Alex&#039;&#039;s blog.

Getting to the airport, which really isn&#039;&#039;t that important to us anymore, is a short 20 minute drive. When the lightrail opens, it should be pretty convenient. I&#039;&#039;m excited to be able to take it north of here as well, though I tend to avoid downtown under most circumstances.

Seattle is a great city, with lots of separate neighborhoods, each with their own qualities and attributes. I&#039;&#039;m glad to be able to enjoy it by bike. Thanks for the blog Alex. It got me really thinking about how lucky we all are to live here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8221;ll second the props for the South End (Seattle). My girlfriend and have lived in the Seward Park neighborhood for three years this October. Katie grew up just a few blocks north of where we live.</p>
<p>Walkability is so-so. Grocery options are not the best, though the PCC is a short bike ride away. It&#8217;&#8217;s got just about everything we need, but it&#8217;&#8217;s pretty expensive. Columbia City also has an excellent Farmer&#8217;&#8217;s Market May &#8211; October, as well as a _real_ butcher shop and a very yummy bakery. There are some nice restaurants in CC as well as a movie theater. My commute to work, Bike Works, is under two miles, depending on how I go &#8211; which I like, options for bike commute route, especially since it&#8217;&#8217;s so short. Katie takes the bus/bikes a few times a week to Wallingford, but also has to drives sometimes, since her works takes her to multiple locations hauling gardening tools and paraphernalia.</p>
<p>I like the diversity of our neighborhood (ethnic, religious, economic, etc.). Our neighbors are friendly, helpful, not nosey. We were able to buy a large lot with a smallish house for a very reasonable amount. Prices have risen in the last few years, but with the current real estate market, there are still some pretty nice places. We&#8221;ve been able to do so much with our yard and spend a lot of time out there during the warm weather months. We recently built a fire pit &#8211; if you have space and enough distance from your neighbors, I highly recommend it! I also like that my cat has a healthy stomping grounds.</p>
<p>We are walking distance to Lake Washington, two beaches and short biking distance to Seward Park, with it&#8217;&#8217;s beautiful hiking trails and beaches and vistas. It&#8217;&#8217;s easy to ride to the east side and all the beautiful roads. West Seattle is very accessible &#8211; I can get to the Fauntleroy ferry in about 45 minutes by bike.</p>
<p>Our neighborhood often gets a bad rap re: crime. I don&#8221;t really find it to be any worse than any other part of town. Maybe I&#8221;m unaware, but I prefer the quietude available to us down here over the busy ness of Captiol Hill/Belltown/University District/etc&#8230; I must admit, I don&#8221;t leave the south end all that much with work so close. But that just makes it more of an adventure to see the rest of the city and realize how rapidly things are developing and changing (for better and worse).</p>
<p>Public libraries are nearby. The Chief Sealth trail is nearby. I-90 trail access is also very close.</p>
<p>Sometimes, I wish we were closer to Ballard for the nightlife (one of my favorite venues is the Tractor) and Second Ascent and the used record store, as well as Golden Gardens. Again, this makes it more of an event to get out there, by bike or car.</p>
<p>I also wish we had a quality hardware store nearby. My first choice would be a place like Hardwick&#8217;&#8217;s, mentioned in Alex&#8217;&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>Getting to the airport, which really isn&#8221;t that important to us anymore, is a short 20 minute drive. When the lightrail opens, it should be pretty convenient. I&#8221;m excited to be able to take it north of here as well, though I tend to avoid downtown under most circumstances.</p>
<p>Seattle is a great city, with lots of separate neighborhoods, each with their own qualities and attributes. I&#8221;m glad to be able to enjoy it by bike. Thanks for the blog Alex. It got me really thinking about how lucky we all are to live here!</p>
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		<title>By: John K</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/551/comment-page-1#comment-4297</link>
		<dc:creator>John K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;&#039;m in the eastern edge of ballard at the foot of phinney ridge.  Many of the amenities mentioned were important to me when chosing to live here.  In fact, when we were looking to buy a house we identified all the grocery stores that had a consistent supply of organic food and drew 0.5 mile radiuses around each (back then it was PCC and Thriftways - Whole Foods hadn&#039;&#039;t gotten to seattle).  We then added things like movie theaters, the library, bus routes to downtown.

What&#039;&#039;s interesting is that between then and now, we have had a daughter.  And I can tell you that the amenities you think are important shift radically with an 18 month old.  Groceries are, of course, still there. But I haven&#039;&#039;t seen a movie (or a video) in over a year.  Instead, I&#039;&#039;m at the park a lot and walk to the Zoo a couple of times a month.  It&#039;&#039;s nice to have a good park within walking distance and several more in riding distance (I just got an IBert for carrying her on the front of the bike) - and the city just bought a nice parcel north of us -http://www.seattle.gov/parks/proparks/projects/BallardPark.htm - which should be really nice when done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8221;m in the eastern edge of ballard at the foot of phinney ridge.  Many of the amenities mentioned were important to me when chosing to live here.  In fact, when we were looking to buy a house we identified all the grocery stores that had a consistent supply of organic food and drew 0.5 mile radiuses around each (back then it was PCC and Thriftways &#8211; Whole Foods hadn&#8221;t gotten to seattle).  We then added things like movie theaters, the library, bus routes to downtown.</p>
<p>What&#8217;&#8217;s interesting is that between then and now, we have had a daughter.  And I can tell you that the amenities you think are important shift radically with an 18 month old.  Groceries are, of course, still there. But I haven&#8221;t seen a movie (or a video) in over a year.  Instead, I&#8221;m at the park a lot and walk to the Zoo a couple of times a month.  It&#8217;&#8217;s nice to have a good park within walking distance and several more in riding distance (I just got an IBert for carrying her on the front of the bike) &#8211; and the city just bought a nice parcel north of us -http://www.seattle.gov/parks/proparks/projects/BallardPark.htm &#8211; which should be really nice when done.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/551/comment-page-1#comment-4296</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got a good laugh out of my neighborhoods walk score.  The walk score folks thought it was cool that I live near a library.  They missed that the library is inside a prison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a good laugh out of my neighborhoods walk score.  The walk score folks thought it was cool that I live near a library.  They missed that the library is inside a prison.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexWetmore</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/551/comment-page-1#comment-4295</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexWetmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beth -- I don&#039;&#039;t know who can afford houses today.  We&#039;&#039;d have trouble buying our house today too, I&#039;&#039;m glad that we bought it 5 years ago.  At the time I thought we were buying near the top of the market.

Rory -- I don&#039;&#039;t know of the equivelent on the eastside.  Maybe near downtown Kirkland.  I think Issaquah is the nicest jumping off point for eastside riding, but I&#039;&#039;ve never been impressed with it&#039;&#039;s walkability.  Hopefully that will improve over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beth &#8212; I don&#8221;t know who can afford houses today.  We&#8221;d have trouble buying our house today too, I&#8221;m glad that we bought it 5 years ago.  At the time I thought we were buying near the top of the market.</p>
<p>Rory &#8212; I don&#8221;t know of the equivelent on the eastside.  Maybe near downtown Kirkland.  I think Issaquah is the nicest jumping off point for eastside riding, but I&#8221;ve never been impressed with it&#8217;&#8217;s walkability.  Hopefully that will improve over time.</p>
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		<title>By: beth h</title>
		<link>http://alexwetmore.org/archives/551/comment-page-1#comment-4294</link>
		<dc:creator>beth h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link to Walkscore; I hadn&#039;&#039;t heard of it before. Very interesting to check out how my neighborhood fared. N/NE Portland&#039;&#039;s Woodlawn neighborhood, while oh-so-slowly gentrifying, is still down-at-heel in many respects. It got a walkability score somewhere near the middle that I have to take with a grain of salt: Walkscore&#039;&#039;s info is several years out of date. Half the establishments listed in this area no longer exist, and in one case the building isn&#039;&#039;t even there anymore (it burned down two years ago and is now an empty lot waiting to be developed).

Interestingly, when Sweetie and I went house-shopping in &#039;&#039;03, the two considerations were how much we could afford (not much), and distance from my workplace (we told our realtor it could be no farther than 7 miles out because 14 miles RT was how far I was willing to commute by bicycle). We got lucky, and found a TINY fixer-upper five miles from work. We probably couldn&#039;&#039;t buy our house today, and the neighborhood is still lacking many amenities within walking distance -- though the Arbor Lodge New Seasons is an easy 2-mile bike ride away, the OVerlook farmers&#039;&#039; market is about 3 miles away and we live on or very near at least three different bus routes. That all counts for a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link to Walkscore; I hadn&#8221;t heard of it before. Very interesting to check out how my neighborhood fared. N/NE Portland&#8217;&#8217;s Woodlawn neighborhood, while oh-so-slowly gentrifying, is still down-at-heel in many respects. It got a walkability score somewhere near the middle that I have to take with a grain of salt: Walkscore&#8217;&#8217;s info is several years out of date. Half the establishments listed in this area no longer exist, and in one case the building isn&#8221;t even there anymore (it burned down two years ago and is now an empty lot waiting to be developed).</p>
<p>Interestingly, when Sweetie and I went house-shopping in &#8221;03, the two considerations were how much we could afford (not much), and distance from my workplace (we told our realtor it could be no farther than 7 miles out because 14 miles RT was how far I was willing to commute by bicycle). We got lucky, and found a TINY fixer-upper five miles from work. We probably couldn&#8221;t buy our house today, and the neighborhood is still lacking many amenities within walking distance &#8212; though the Arbor Lodge New Seasons is an easy 2-mile bike ride away, the OVerlook farmers&#8221; market is about 3 miles away and we live on or very near at least three different bus routes. That all counts for a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Rory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live close to Alex, in Wallingford, which has a pretty high walking score. it&#039;&#039;s great for walking, with an assortment of restarants on 45th, and the fremont neighborhood close enough to consider as well.  we have 2 choices in grocery stores, however, they are just far enough to be slightly more convenient by bike, rather then walking (about a half mile to either qfc or pcc).

using wallingford as a stating point for utilitarian bike rides is great, since you can access a lot of different neighborhoods for shopping, and meeting friends.  however, i would not rate it very high for longer/faster recreational cycling.  you would have to ride somewhere between 10-20 miles to get to a nice country style ride with good climbs in it. Since i work on the east side, and i like this kind of riding better, i
m still considering moving over, but i still haven&#039;&#039;t found the east side wallingford equivealent in bellevue/redmond/issaquah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live close to Alex, in Wallingford, which has a pretty high walking score. it&#8217;&#8217;s great for walking, with an assortment of restarants on 45th, and the fremont neighborhood close enough to consider as well.  we have 2 choices in grocery stores, however, they are just far enough to be slightly more convenient by bike, rather then walking (about a half mile to either qfc or pcc).</p>
<p>using wallingford as a stating point for utilitarian bike rides is great, since you can access a lot of different neighborhoods for shopping, and meeting friends.  however, i would not rate it very high for longer/faster recreational cycling.  you would have to ride somewhere between 10-20 miles to get to a nice country style ride with good climbs in it. Since i work on the east side, and i like this kind of riding better, i<br />
m still considering moving over, but i still haven&#8221;t found the east side wallingford equivealent in bellevue/redmond/issaquah.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexWetmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexWetmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we were buying a house in 1998 we considered staying in Redmond for the same reasons of living near work (at the time Christine was working for Chatteau St Michelle in Woodinville).  However we gave up when we couldn&#039;&#039;t find a house (not a townhouse or condo) with a nice walk to the grocery stores.  At the time I didn&#039;&#039;t have a driver&#039;&#039;s license, so this was a requirement, not just a want.

Redmond has grown up a lot in the last 10 years and I don&#039;&#039;t really know it very well anymore.  I hope it&#039;&#039;s improved.  There seems to be a lot of commercial development, but most of it is still in the form of strip malls.  Those are often very unfriendly to cycling and pedestrians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we were buying a house in 1998 we considered staying in Redmond for the same reasons of living near work (at the time Christine was working for Chatteau St Michelle in Woodinville).  However we gave up when we couldn&#8221;t find a house (not a townhouse or condo) with a nice walk to the grocery stores.  At the time I didn&#8221;t have a driver&#8217;&#8217;s license, so this was a requirement, not just a want.</p>
<p>Redmond has grown up a lot in the last 10 years and I don&#8221;t really know it very well anymore.  I hope it&#8217;&#8217;s improved.  There seems to be a lot of commercial development, but most of it is still in the form of strip malls.  Those are often very unfriendly to cycling and pedestrians.</p>
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